B3.85 beta issues

[Chris]

The summary so far:

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"> * simulation runs in 50% smaller steps
* sound (noise) more flexible and configurable, for trains and animations
* another version of signals (traffic lights)
* connection depot and signal system extended
* new more flexible data format for scenery incl. user-defined elements (more colors, larger width, higher)
* more user-defined scenic elements per layout (110 sets of up to at max. 90 elements each)
* extra graphics for quadruple details (Zoom4)
* simple integrated editor for scenery and user-defined elements (Zoom1, 2 and 4)
* configurable animations, also for user-defined elements
* el.locos and EMU can change the pantograph depending on direction of travel, even if they have different side views
* some errors fixed, some new errors added instead</tr></td></table>

Editing trackside elements fails with message #591 when editing on some track types.

Also, the following problem in 3.84 remains:

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">using the mouse wheel to scroll moves the cursor along the y-axis, but the position highlight on the edit window doesn't update unless the cursor moves to the edge of the displayed area.</tr></td></table>

At the moment, the position highlight updates when there is some other animation on the screen, but where there is none the highlight still does not move.

[Jan Bochmann]

Hello,

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">
Editing trackside elements fails with message #591 when editing on some track types.</tr></td></table>

That means there are no extra gfx for that track type. Try to use another one (mostly "rails on road" works). For more details see short gfx docu from "Download" section.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">
Also, the following problem in 3.84 remains:

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">using the mouse wheel to scroll moves the cursor along the y-axis, but the position highlight on the edit window doesn't update unless the cursor moves to the edge of the displayed area.</tr></td></table>

At the moment, the position highlight updates when there is some other animation on the screen, but where there is none the highlight still does not move.</tr></td></table>

What means "position highlight" here?

Grtx
Jan B.

[Ilya]

Another bug found:
If a stopping point with platform is made invisible, then the platform itself becomes invisible, too.

And a request:
Could you please tell me if there is a possibility to edit object graphics of a new type? I need to create a trolleybus network, but I miss some extra 'cable symbols' (of course except those installed with beta). [img]icon_smile.gif[/img]

[Chris]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">That means there are no extra gfx for that track type. Try to use another one (mostly "rails on road" works). For more details see short gfx docu from "Download" section.</tr></td></table>

Presumably that will be fixed in a later beta, but I'd also mark as bugs the poor messages for 590 ("No primary version") and 591 ("No primary element"), and the poor distinction between the two. If you could explain the differences between these two, I can suggest a better wording.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">What means "position highlight" here?</tr></td></table>

That's the little white square on the map that shows which element is selected, and where things will be built if you press the number buttons.

In the meantime, I look forward to testing some more of these new bugs you've added.

99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs,
hunt one down, patch it out,
102 little bugs in the code ...

[Markus Klingsiek]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs,
hunt one down, patch it out,
102 little bugs in the code ...</tr></td></table>

How true... how true... [img]icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Ilya]

One more thing:
Why Zoom2 = Zoom6? It's not that pretty nice. I think, it may be better for the performance to use Zoom4 for all the three scales: 4:1, 6:1, 8:1.

[Chris]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">One more thing:
Why Zoom2 = Zoom6? It's not that pretty nice. I think, it may be better for the performance to use Zoom4 for all the three scales: 4:1, 6:1, 8:1.</tr></td></table>

Because 4 into 6 won't go. [img]icon_wink.gif[/img]

[Markus Klingsiek]

You cannot zoom a single pixel to 1,5... [img]icon_wink.gif[/img]

By the way... one more thing???

[Ilya]

Why then do we need that 'odd' 6:1? [img]icon_wink.gif[/img]

[Jan Bochmann]

Hello,

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Why then do we need that 'odd' 6:1? [img]icon_wink.gif[/img]</tr></td></table>

For any feature you can find someone who says "Not needed".

About 3.85r1:

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">invisible signals got platforms</tr></td></table>

Should be fixed.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">invisible stopping points miss also their platforms (sometimes)</tr></td></table>

Should work again.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Is there anywhere a FAQ or hints how to use the simple editor?</tr></td></table>

The Help is now included.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">What about messages 590 and 591?</tr></td></table>

Deleted.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Problems at bridges (vertically) and at platforms with large halls (station halls)</tr></td></table>

Corrected.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Too many files?</tr></td></table>

You can attach additional file to a layout file now.
Details: see help.
Example: The demo_0 layout included in the installation.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Does not run on Win Vista?</tr></td></table>

The optimization was turned off again (as in 3.84r3).

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Needs much time when starting?</tr></td></table>

Should be a bit faster now.

Grtx
Jan B.

[Ilya]

Jan, thanks for the new beta.

Found at least one major error - turnouts can't be pasted properly (only the turnout itself is pasted, but without any turnout data). If cut and pasted, the error occurs 'At least one turnout incomplete'.

[Jan Bochmann]

Hello,

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">
Found at least one major error - turnouts can't be pasted properly (only the turnout itself is pasted, but without any turnout data). If cut and pasted, the error occurs 'At least one turnout incomplete'.</tr></td></table>

That's true for all turnouts with additional data. Further, sometimes the graphical design is missing (with[out] platform).

This will be corrected, thank you for information.

Greetings
Jan B.

[johanmark]

Hello:

In Bahn 3.85 beta1, I have a problem when i want to save the modifications after i have edited an element´s graphic. It appears the message with the error #594 Error while saving to file. And it happens in zoom1, zoom2 or zoom4.

I don´t know if it´s a problem with my computer or it´s a bug of the program.

[Jan Bochmann]

Hello,

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Hello:

In Bahn 3.85 beta1, I have a problem when i want to save the modifications after i have edited an element´s graphic. It appears the message with the error #594 Error while saving to file. And it happens in zoom1, zoom2 or zoom4.

I don´t know if it´s a problem with my computer or it´s a bug of the program.</tr></td></table>

Maybe the element does not own additional graphics (for instance a simple normal driving way) at all. Then you cannot add or edit them.

Common error: The editor saves only the parts that are in the limits of (x0,y0,width,height), marked by black point lines. When inside this area there is nothing (i.e. only transparency) for all layers, then it will fail to save.

Mostly, you can easily avoid the problem by clicking the "Update borders" button before clicking to "Save" button.

Hope this helped,
Greetings,
Jan B.

[johanmark]

Thank you Jan for your response.

You wrote:

"Maybe the element does not own additional graphics (for instance a simple normal driving way) at all. Then you cannot add or edit them."

Yes, that was the "problem". I thought that it would be possible to edit all the elements but I was wrong.