Wanted: "Pre-Signal" graphics and info

[Jan Bochmann]

Hello,

In the future, we will have something like this:



where yellow/green "pre-signals" may define a speed-restriction, depending on the status of a red/green "main signal".

Now, there is the question for suitable mechanical pre-signals for the English / US semaphore signals in BAHN, ie something for replacing the '?' in the following picture:



Ofcourse, needed in 4 (or directions... Is there a website showing suitable signals? If there are multiple versions (I assume, yes), what is a "most common" one? And, is "pre-signal" and "main signal" a correct term for that I'm talking about?

Grtx and Thanx for help
Jan B.

[Sascha Claus]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">And, is "pre-signal" and "main signal" a correct term for that I'm talking about?</tr></td></table>
Leo says no:
Hauptsignal = home signal
Vorsignal = advance/approach/distant/warning signal

[Alex420-V160]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">And, is "pre-signal" and "main signal" a correct term for that I'm talking about?</tr></td></table>
Leo says no:
Hauptsignal = home signal
Vorsignal = advance/approach/distant/warning signal</tr></td></table>I think "warning signal" ist the most used calling for a "Vorsignal".

Alex

[DW]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">And, is "pre-signal" and "main signal" a correct term for that I'm talking about?</tr></td></table>
Leo says no:
Hauptsignal = home signal
Vorsignal = advance/approach/distant/warning signal</tr></td></table>I think "warning signal" ist the most used calling for a "Vorsignal".

Alex</tr></td></table>Sorry to disagree, but in the UK these terms all have very exact meanings.

A "Vorsignal" is always called a distant signal. A "Hauptsignal" is a stop signal.

Advance and Home and Starter are all different postions at stations, but all are stop signals..

This diagram explains distant, home, inner home, outer home, starter and advance starter:


http://ukhrail.uel.ac.uk/glossary/sigs.html has a good article on this with the diagrams (as animated .gif) that JB wanted.

For the US see http://www.railway-technical.com/US-sig.html

[Hris]

Hello

I have hear a pdf with a exsample for the English / US semaphore signals
distant signal: http://rapidshare.de/files/4537754/qrc.pdf.html

Hris

[Timm]

Hallo,
The new "distat signals looks great. Does to every stop singnal belong a distant signal in BAHN?

Timm

[Bastiaan]

Very good idea! With that feature I my trains wont stop at 140 km/h no more [img]icon_smile.gif[/img]
Will it also be possible to let a signal be red, yellow and red (so advance and home signal in one)? Because in the Netherlands home signals can be advance signals too.

http://www.ivw.nl/seinenboeksite/lichtseinen.htm

Bastiaan

[Timm]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Very good idea! With that feature I my trains wont stop at 140 km/h no more [img]icon_smile.gif[/img]
Will it also be possible to let a signal be red, yellow and red (so advance and home signal in one)? Because in the Netherlands home signals can be advance signals too.

http://www.ivw.nl/seinenboeksite/lichtseinen.htm

Bastiaan
</tr></td></table>
That is in Germany the same at the Ks_System and the Hi System (estern Germany)
Timm

[DW]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Hello

I have hear a pdf with a exsample for the English / US semaphore signals
distant signal: http://rapidshare.de/files/4537754/qrc.pdf.html

Hris</tr></td></table>But only if I pay rapidshare for a premium account! They refuse to let me have it otherwise.

[Jan Bochmann]

Hallo,

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Hallo,
The new distant signals looks great.
</tr></td></table>

The German mechanical ones are designed by Jörg Thamm, Berlin.

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">
Does to every stop signal belong a distant signal in BAHN?
</tr></td></table>

I am not sure what you exactly mean.

1. For any stop signal type (except grade crossing signals) there will be created a suitable distant signal version. Water way and tram signals inclusive.

2. In a BAHN layout, you may build no, one or more distant signals for one stop signal. In result, it is possible to set some distant signals in a series (similar to German "Vorsignal-Wiederholer" signals), giving each another speed (eg. 80km/h, 60km/h, 40, 20).

Grtx
Jan B.

[Jan Bochmann]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote"> With that feature my trains wont stop at 140 km/h no more )
Will it also be possible to let a signal be red, yellow and red (so advance and home signal in one)? Because in the Netherlands home signals can be advance signals too.

Bastiaan

That is in Germany the same at the Ks_System and the Hl System (Eastern Germany)

Timm</tr></td></table>

For that, we would need 3-state-signals. Exactly said, much more variety...

Actually, BAHN does not support any 3-state-elements. However, we are thinking about it.

Grtx
Jan B.

[Bastiaan]

Would be cool if that's possible [img]icon_smile.gif[/img]

[Christopher Spies]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Hello,

In the future, we will have something like this:

...</tr></td></table>

Cooooool [img]icon_cool.gif[/img] , so finally the BAHN users have managed to annoy Jan Bochmann enough that he will submit to the frequently-expressed demand for distant signals [img]icon_biggrin.gif[/img] .

If more users demand shunting signal graphics, we'll probably get those eventually, too [img]icon_razz.gif[/img] !

Thank you very much,
- Christopher

[Jan Eisold]

Well, earm, I gess the german HI (DR) Version should be improved in the future. The graphic doesn´t look like a "Vorsignal" ... [img]icon_wink.gif[/img]

MfG Jan

[DW]

<table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed">Zitat:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="quote">... http://ukhrail.uel.ac.uk/glossary/sigs.html has a good article on this ...</tr></td></table>ANother useful site is http://www.signalbox.org/signals.shtml