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’Morning,

Sascha Claus hat geschrieben: Montag 3. März 2025, 23:12And then there are the planned, additional rush-hour trains, which will fill IC1 to a 15min-interval until Torkham (but only morning and evening). One half would continue northwards to Coates (as usual), aiming for tourists and business travellers. The other half, instead of becoming IC11, could deliver tourists into the surroundings: Willey – Bordele – coast, the surrounding countryside, the mountains, … There will only be a handful of trains each day, and each one could serve a different direction.

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since half of the other affected parties are currently busy, this is the time to make some plans.

IC1 leaves Clydesgow shortly after the half and full hour (:04 and :34) and needs about two hours to Coates. So if IC1e is leaving Clydesgow 6:19, 6:49, 7:19 and 7:49, we get a two-hour window with 15min interval. Arrival of this window in Coates would be around 8:00-10:00. I expect a fleet of trains running in the opposite direction at the same time.

The Coates part will get a special TEE-/Rheingold-like livery and a large 1st class section. Whether it runs accellerated north of Torkham will be left to the local railway companies; south of Torkham, faster than 220km/h line speed won’t be possible anyway. Now we just have to distribute the other four (touristic) parts; and maybe some additional IR1e trains. I’d suggest something like this, with the trains stopping even in small villages in the final segment:

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Maybe one along the river from Willey to Farris, if that is scenic and draws tourists? Next step: distribution of IC2e trains west of Oban.

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1993matias hat geschrieben: Dienstag 4. März 2025, 11:55Capacity is limited due to the S-trains sharing tracks with the long distance services. I may not be able to find another fast timetable slot for more IC!

Erik’s ICs could be coupled with mine from Farris to Coates.

Good evening,

Yesterday I uploaded the wrong network file. So now uploaded the up to date version 51.1.1.

Hello and good evening

Hope you're all well and not too baffled by the world in general.

Just uploaded the latest version of the network file (51.2) and a network diagram.

The network file now has most of the lines in the eastern part of Woostershire in draft. Claimed an other week of time to work on the western part and hopefully start to run some trains of my own. I could have been a bit further along, but I let the time run past midnight without setting the appropriate times for Sacha's trains. So, had to go back a minor version. Fortunately now everything is running fine.

The network diagram speaks mostly for itself. Lines across borders are mostly the connections we talked about earlier, or suggestions (like the IC10 to Oban along the Grand Trunk.

Train numbers outside of Woostershire are indications of which services they could be an extension.The numbers are the numbers in Woostershire. The assumption being that services can be renamed or renumbered at borders.

The blue/greyish lines are freight corridors, the letters indicate the corridors, not lines. In the west there is space for a freight connection into Inverfyne. There are 2 options here: along the coast or parallel to the high speed line.

I'll attach the diagram here so you don't have to log in to google first

@Sacha: in the network file I also made a suggestion for the border at Torkham with the aid of some trees. Most of the city's existing infrastructure will be yours, with the exception of the northwest corner. I was planning on a bypass anyway (see the sketch I send before), but this combines a few options. Goods trains from the west to the north or north east (or the other way round) can bypass the busy Torkham Central and Inverlochy area. Since these station are very busy it also gives the opportunity for a "Torkham North" train stop for the RE5, local services from Widgeon and maybe a Torkham S-bahn service(?). The RE5 can continue to Inverlochy if there is space there, or pass by further north.

Sascha Claus hat geschrieben: Mittwoch 26. Februar 2025, 18:14 I just noticed that you drew a line that is bypassing my Inverchorachan in the north. Is this intentional or just inaccurate handpainting?

Inaccurate handpainting

See the network file and the diagram.

Juuhdn Ahmd,

_Erik_ hat geschrieben: Montag 10. März 2025, 21:09[…], but I let the time run past midnight without setting the appropriate times for Sacha's trains. So, had to go back a minor version. Fortunately now everything is running fine.

there are some helpful secret functions in BAHN: in addition to the auto-stop time, under Options -> File Options -> Automated saving of layout files you can set BAHN to automatically save the file at midnight, so that you don’t have to go back too far. But remember to save at least one network file somewhere else, in case you don’t have enough NT2 files afterward.

The network diagram speaks mostly for itself. Lines across borders are mostly the connections we talked about earlier, or suggestions (like the IC10 to Oban along the Grand Trunk.

Just in case you didn’t read the whole thread all the way back: IC2 and IR2 to Oban are prepared for a split in the middle (similar to IC1 and IR1 in Torkham); it has two bistro cars and two 1st class sections (just like IC1/IR1 and IC4/IR4). You can split it and continue to two different destinations.

The blue/greyish lines are freight corridors, the letters indicate the corridors, not lines. In the west there is space for a freight connection into Inverfyne. There are 2 options here: along the coast or parallel to the high speed line.

I’d prefer to send freight along the existing, old line(s); not the high-speed line.

@Sacha:

As your supply lines of lowercase s seems to have some issues, here are some: s s s s

in the network file I also made a suggestion for the border at Torkham with the aid of some trees. Most of the city's existing infrastructure will be yours, with the exception of the northwest corner. I was planning on a bypass anyway (see the sketch I send before), but this combines a few options. Goods trains from the west to the north or north east (or the other way round) can bypass the busy Torkham Central and Inverlochy area.

I already built a goods bypass line around the northwestern quarter of the city, complete with a big mess of lines at Inverlochy that specifically includes grade-separated connections between all directions.

OTOH, it wouldn’t be the first railway line built to circumvent a city in another, now friendly, country.

Since these station are very busy it also gives the opportunity for a "Torkham North" train stop for the RE5, local services from Widgeon and maybe a Torkham S-bahn service(?). The RE5 can continue to Inverlochy if there is space there, or pass by further north.

Ahh, the Torkham regional trains … the “big meeting” is every hour :15 and :45, and all trains are supposed to arrive shortly before and leave shortly after (except IC1/11/12, where it didn’t work out).

T10 to south (Kingshouse via Glencoe) is planned to leave Torkham Central :20 and :50, with departure at Inverlochy somewhat earlier, arrival from south is planned to be :10 and :40

T12 to north (Farris via Traversham) is planned to leave Torkham Central :20 and :50, with departure at Glencoe somewhat earlier, arrival from north is planned to be :10 and :40

T13 to northeast (Willey via Woncaster) is planned to leave Torkham Central :00 and :30, with departure at Glencoe somewhat earlier, arrival from north is planned to be :00 and :30

If you put the puzzle together, you get a 10min-interval from Inverlochy to Glencoe:

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Torkham Central southbound
:00 T13 -> northeast -> Inverlochy -> Glencoe               (feeding passengers to IRs and other trains)
:10 T12 -> north - - -> Inverlochy -> Glencoe               (feeding passengers)
:15 “all trains meet”
:20 T10 -> - - - - - -> Inverlochy -> Glencoe -> Kingshouse (collecting passengers from IRs and other trains)
:30 T13 -> northeast -> Inverlochy -> Glencoe               (feeding passengers to IRs)
:40 T12 -> north - - -> Inverlochy -> Glencoe               (feeding passengers)
:45 “all trains meet”
:50 T10 -> - - - - - -> Inverlochy -> Glencoe -> Kingshouse (collecting passengers from IRs)

Current timings of these routes are completely different (I need to change that ASAP). Stopping pattern north of Inverlochy, northern termini and route numbers of T12 and T13 are up to you; after all, these are just your regional trains through-routed to the other end of Torkham. (And of course, passengers are free to go wherever they want in Torkham, they are not required to change to an IR

)

The same is planned for the east-west routes T11, T14 and a not-yet-existing T??, with a 10min-interval from the nameless terminus in the west (marked by a big question mark) to Inverlochy. The T10/12/13 and the T11/14/?? bundles together form a 5min interval from Druimarbin to Inverlochy. And once again, T11 and T14 are just regional trains from east and west, through-routed to the other end of Torkham; so outer termini and route numbers …

For easier digestion, a created a crude map:

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T11 northwest – ? – Inverlochy (parallel to IC/IR11)†

T?? west – ? – Inverlochy (parallel to IZYs)†

T14 ? – Inverlochy – east (parallel to IR24)†
† - route number to be determined by the affected neighbours

ET ? – Exhibition Centre – to southeast ‡

T15 Fochabers – from southwest – ? – Exhibition Centre
‡ - final route number not yet decided

an underground NW<->SE trunk (subway), not shown on map

All this assumes one half-hourly local route and one half-hourly faster route (IC or IR) on each line (except IC/IR11 and IC/IR234, which are a fast and a faster route in addition to the all-stop local).

Schönen Abend,

Sascha Claus hat geschrieben: Dienstag 11. März 2025, 18:45 As your supply lines of lowercase s seems to have some issues, here are some: s s s s

Oops, thanks for that bunch of esses, Sascha. So sorry, will put them to good use.
Also thanks for the tips about auto stop and save in BAHN.

Sascha Claus hat geschrieben: Dienstag 11. März 2025, 18:45 I’d prefer to send freight along the existing, old line(s); not the high-speed line.

Righto. Goods trains can cross the border between Phibbs on Sea and St Peter's Hoverport.

Sascha Claus hat geschrieben: Dienstag 11. März 2025, 18:45 Just in case you didn’t read the whole thread all the way back: IC2 and IR2 to Oban are prepared for a split in the middle (similar to IC1 and IR1 in Torkham); it has two bistro cars and two 1st class sections (just like IC1/IR1 and IC4/IR4). You can split it and continue to two different destinations.

Sure, if you bring the IC2 and IR2 to Oban, they can go at least as far as Bertrampton and continue to Cairndow, if you like. At the moment I see no use for splitting them.

Sascha Claus hat geschrieben: Dienstag 11. März 2025, 18:45 I already built a goods bypass line around the northwestern quarter of the city, complete with a big mess of lines at Inverlochy that specifically includes grade-separated connections between all directions. OTOH, it wouldn’t be the first railway line built to circumvent a city in another, now friendly, country.

Hahahaha. Hm, well, I guess you're right. In that case and with your permission, I'll use the Inverlochy junction and scrap the northern part of the bypass. If you like, I can set up some signaling.

The timetable stuff is very helpful. I'm sure I'll come back to it later.

By the way, what do you want with St Peter's & Ording? You're welcome to operate the existing HS tracks and platforms. I'll build the local ones adjacent to them and I'll also build the ICC line to the border near St Peter's.

G’d ev’n’ng,

_Erik_ hat geschrieben: Dienstag 11. März 2025, 21:13Oops, thanks for that bunch of esses, Sascha. So sorry, will put them to good use.

maybe for an S-Bahn? Or S-Trains, if that doesn’t strain network capacity too much.

Righto. Goods trains can cross the border between Phibbs on Sea and St Peter's Hoverport.

I assume that it will carry mainly local traffic, between IF and WS, as the hinterland connections from Inverfyne harbour would likely be along the electrified route of IC/IR11.

Sure, if you bring the IC2 and IR2 to Oban, they can go at least as far as Bertrampton and continue to Cairndow, if you like. At the moment I see no use for splitting them.

One part along the River Clyde to Bertrampton, one part in a more westerly/northwesterly direction: that looked obvious before the high-speed line was built. With the HSL, through traffic would likely prefer the faster route. Now I’ll probably do something very operationally interesting, as befits BAHN:

split IC2 at Oban and terminate one half,

send an ICE directly along the HSL and split it at Oban,

couple half the ICE and half the IC2 and send it north to Bertrampton and Cairndow,

do something with the other half of the ICE

There will be loop line connecting Oban Central on the Grand Central railway (high-speed line and somewhat out of town)* and Oban Trunk on the Grand Trunk railway (city-centre station). Regional trains will serve both stations. There will also be regional high-speed services, similar to the ones run by Class 395.
*—of course, the Central station is out of town and the other one is the central station

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How many regional routes are you planning into Oban? Just the one parallel to IC/IR2, or some more? Are you envisioning a cross-border tri-state city like Basel or rural countryside on your side of the border? (Same question for Torkham.)

And as we are currently in the vicinity: How many trains from WS may I expect in Fochabers? What do you think about an east-west-IC28 (Woostershire) - Fochabers - Crianlarich - Brill, to be faster than the parallel IR28?

Fochabers will be located a few kms to the east of the existing Fochabers Junction station and have its own Fochabers Town station. Trains from north and west are supposed to continue at least until the town station after calling at the junction station.

If you like, I can set up some signaling. The timetable stuff is very helpful. I'm sure I'll come back to it later.

Signalling sounds good, as I’m usually too lazy for that.

By the way, what do you want with St Peter's & Ording? You're welcome to operate the existing HS tracks and platforms. I'll build the local ones adjacent to them and I'll also build the ICC line to the border near St Peter's.

That station’s name is pun on Sankt Peter-Ording. St Peter’s is just a few km away, only a nearby town named Ording is missing for now. The station itself might be located somewhat away from the nearest town, like the french ‘beetfield’ TGV stations (e. g. Aix-en-Provence TGV), but with train connections and less automobile parking.

The ICC (just a placeholder route) will be integrated into a coastal InterCity route St Peter's & Ording – St Peter's-Hoverport – St Peter's – Inverfyne Town – Warstones. The diesel-hauled sections of ICE12 and ICE13 will be included as well. Since St Peter's-Hoverport is in no way a copy of Boulogne-Aéroglisseurs

, it will have direct feeder trains from all directions (except from the west, of course) that connect with the ferries.

Most of Inverfyne is planned as “diesel country” to force the need for doube-headed trains and locomotive changes. Should the occassional open-access TGV from the high-speed line venture that far, it would look like the old TGV Vendée.

Are you interested in some direct trains from your larger towns to St Peter's-Hoverport? Some tourist trains into the Cairngorms National Park? Some trains for the amusement parks south of Queensbury (beyond the standard offer of the regular half-hourly IC20+IC21)?

Hello,

Sascha, I noticed you reserved some time this weekend. I'll make sure there is a new version of the layout by friday.

Hi,

_Erik_ hat geschrieben: Dienstag 18. März 2025, 21:01Sascha, I noticed you reserved some time this weekend. I'll make sure there is a new version of the layout by friday.

but that is reserved for the other Wandernetz, the WN3 „Regio“.

But a sneak preview of the current work would be appreciated, and the following week I should be able to find some time.

Good evening,

Uploaded version 51_3. Not a lot of changes, but IC1 is operational between Betrampton and Traversham and I added some of the tracks in the west, not sure they're in the right spot yet.

I've been thinking about the port west of Bertrampton and probably another one south east of Worplesdon.
Also done some preparation for the signaling at Inverlochy Junction. It's quite complex, so a nice challenge.

I'll continue work this weekend with version 52 planned for Monday and than Sascha can take it from there. (You can also add the weekend, if you like

)

Mahlzeit,

_Erik_ hat geschrieben: Freitag 21. März 2025, 21:19Not a lot of changes, but IC1 is operational between Betrampton and Traversham

ahh, the Teamwork’s first tower station.

The geography of Clydeshire isn’t very well suited to the railway lines that tend to produce this kind of station. If you move Traversham station a few kilometres to the south, you can even put it at the place where IC12 of both directions meet.

And as you put Bertrampton Cairndow Gate almost directly on my sketched HSL connector from 2nd Jcn to Cairndow, may I politely ask for an hourly stop of my planned ICE30 on its way to Cairndow? Maybe combined with an hourly ICE/IC/whatever to fill the 2nd Jcn – Cairndow section to half-hourly?

I've been thinking about the port west of Bertrampton and probably another one south east of Worplesdon.

What size will this port/these ports be? Something world-famous like Hamburg or Rotterdam, something huge like Bremen or Emden, or something small and specialized like Oldenburg or Brake*? How many freight trains can be expected?

Also done some preparation for the signaling at Inverlochy Junction. It's quite complex, so a nice challenge.

Yes, like a bowl of spaghetti, with grade separeted noodles between all lines.

As we are currently in this area, are you interested in an additional regional route from Torkham/Inverlochy northwest?
*—without the bridge problems, of course

Hello,

And version 52 made it to the google drive just in time

Again minor changes. Worked on two junctions along the IC1 line this weekend, but I didn't have time to do anything today.

Sascha Claus hat geschrieben: Montag 24. März 2025, 13:55 And as you put Bertrampton Cairndow Gate almost directly on my sketched HSL connector from 2nd Jcn to Cairndow, may I politely ask for an hourly stop of my planned ICE30 on its way to Cairndow? Maybe combined with an hourly ICE/IC/whatever to fill the 2nd Jcn – Cairndow section to half-hourly?

Yes, wonderful. You don't actually have to go to Cairndow Gate Station. Bertrampton has a station on the high speed line called Woodhouse station (where it is now or slightly further to the northeast). There will be local connections to the main station. Let me know if you'd prefer your trains to go to Cairndow Gate. In that case I need to rearrange things a bit. Can I in return ask for a high speed connection from Bertrampton via Junction 2 to Whimsey? I'm thinking of an ICE train every hour. That one will definitely start/end at Cairndow Gate.

While you are building, I'm going to reflect on all your other questions and suggestions.

Moorchn,

_Erik_ hat geschrieben: Montag 24. März 2025, 23:21Yes, wonderful. You don't actually have to go to Cairndow Gate Station. Bertrampton has a station on the high speed line called Woodhouse station […].

then IMHO trains starting at Cairndow Gate should serve Woodhouse as well, so that Woodhouse station offers the combined frequency for both directions.

Can I in return ask for a high speed connection from Bertrampton via Junction 2 to Whimsey? I'm thinking of an ICE train every hour. That one will definitely start/end at Cairndow Gate.

Can it be half an ICE, loop around from Cairndow Gate to Woodhouse and couple with another half from Cairndow? If it goes to Whimsey, would you mind if it continues into the tunnel (which would require it to be an Eurostar-Velaro

)?

While you are building, I'm going to reflect on all your other questions and suggestions.

So you will be busy for a while?

Evening Edit: Is it correct that RE5 enters Torkham from west (parallel to IC/IR11) and leaves it towards northeast to the station currently labelled “a town in the middle” (parallel to IR23)? Is it planned hourly or half-hourly?

RE5 could be half-hourly from Bertrampton to Torkham and hourly from Torkham to Woncaster/a town in the middle, with the hourly IR23 filling up to half-hourly from Torkham to Woncaster.

G’day,
no new network yet, due to Verzögerungen im Betriebsablauf I’m still fiddling with the new trains. I hope to get the new version finished this evening.

A half-baked test version 52½ is available for the curious. The trains making the problems are the new rush-hour specials, which are supposed to run this way:

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                    ClAp.  Clyg.  Tork.  Farr.  Coat.     Coat.  Farr.  Tork.  Clyg.  ClAp.
Morning Comet       5:49   6:19   7:04  ~7:55  ~8:..     ~7:..  ~8:14   9:04   9:49  10:20
Morning Chariot     6:19   6:49   7:37  ~8:25  ~8:..     ~7:..  ~7:44   8:34   9:19  09:50
Morning Challenger  6:49   7:19   8:04  ~8:55  ~9:..     ~6:..  ~7:14   8:04   8:49  09:20
Morning Chief       7:19   7:49   8:34  ~9:25  ~9:..     ~6:..  ~6:44   7:34   8:19  08:50

                    ClAp.  Clyg.  Tork.  Farr.  Coat.     Coat.  Farr.  Tork.  Clyg.  ClAp.
Evening Chief      17:49  18:19  19:04 ~19:55 ~20:..    ~19:.. ~20:14  21:04  21:49  22:20
Evening Challenger 18:19  18:49  19:37 ~20:25 ~20:..    ~19:.. ~19:44  20:34  21:19  21:50
Evening Chariot    18:49  19:19  20:04 ~20:55 ~21:..    ~18:.. ~19:14  20:04  20:49  21:20
Evening Comet      19:19  20:49  20:34 ~21:25 ~21:..    ~18:.. ~18:44  19:34  20:19  20:50

ClAp. = Clydeshire Airport, Clyg. = Clydesgow Central; times north of Torkham subject to approval by the local authorities

This nessesitated the addition of the new departure times at the timing points in Traversham and Sippford and the construction of additional stabling tracks in the basement of the almost-Farris border station.

As usual, trains are long south of Torkham and are split into two shorter halves north of it. Since the paint workshops are busy with another large job, Montspoor Railways was apparently unable to provide motive power in in ivory and burgundy livery, as well as a colourful loco for the other half that doesn’t go to Coates. Now back to work …

Hiho,

after some more fiddling the layout version 53 was declared ready and fit for publishing and uploaded to the Drive.

The new trains are running mostly fine, only a 9:49 and a 21:49 delay in Clydesgow remains. I’m going go hunt this down during my next date. The shunting manoevres in Torkham are plagued by long distances, needing too much time and causing occasional delays further north. And there is an oversized waiting area with room for 24 (!) locomotives; I’m going to fix this another time. Now I’m glad to have published something working.

Other news are new high-speed trains that work without much ado, as too much publicity might raise opposition from local landowners:

IZY0 Tunnel – Whimsey – 2nd Jcn – Torkham, hourly, with IZY-liveried Eurostar stock
IZY1 St. Peter’s & Ording – 2nd Jcn – Torkham, hourly, with IZY-liveried TGV stock
planned additions:
Est0 Tunnel – Whimsey – 2nd Jcn – Oban – Clydesgow – Clydeshire Airport, hourly, with Eurostar-liveried Eurostar stock
TGV1 St. Peter’s & Ording – 2nd Jcn – Oban – Clydesgow – Clydeshire Airport, hourly, with other TGV stock
also running:
IZY-T 2nd Jcn – Torkham, half-hourly, 230km/h slow with ICE-L and multiple intermediate stops

As time and space are of no object, the 2nd Jcn station has been equipped with another triplet of platforms for easy cross-platform transfer. Departure (:19/:49) and arrival (:11/:41) of IZY0/IZY1 in Torkham are offering perfect connections to all other routes there (except the outliers IC1/11/12). Arrival in 2nd Jcn allows similar connectons, should the surrounding landscape be developed. There is no time for intermediate stops, but a slow train strolling along with a leisurely 230km/h could call at Murgatroyd and the junctions south of Twistleton, Fittleworth and Garfield and arrive in nameless 2nd Jcn just in time before the fast IZY0/IZY1 that left Torkham 30min later.

There are now two loose ends per hour in Torkham; so if anyone north and east of Torkham wants a direct train to the high-speed line (even if measured in one or two trains per day, similar to the ICEs to Binz), applications are welcome. Extensions past St. Peter’s & Ording are available.

Then the western portal of the long undersea tunnel has an area marked that is totally not the same size and shape as the Eurotunnel Folkestone Terminal, just in case someone wants to run car shuttles. And the eastern portal (which, as far as I can see, already belongs to Woostershire) has a larger area marked that is absolutely not the same size and shape as the Eurotunnel Calais Terminal, just for reference.

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